Kidd's Orange Red apple

Malus domestica

In our top 3 for flavour, one of the best Cox-style apples, and adds some of the scented flavour of Delicious, and a good apple for the gardener.

Kidd's Orange Red is named after J.H. Kidd, an amateur New Zealand apple breeder, working in the 1920s. Kidd might have been living in the New World, but he was clearly a fan of the complex aromatic flavours of the "English" style of apple. Like many before and since, he experimented with crossing Cox's Orange Pippin, the temperamental but definitive English apple variety. In Kidd's Orange Red he achieved that something special which marks the great from the ordinary, and set a benchmark that has rarely been matched - this is undoubtedly one of the most outstanding "English" style apples available.

The skin colour is yellow but with an extensive orange-red flush. The irregular light patches of russet give it a strongly marbled appearance - more interesting to look at than the super-smooth glossy red skins of the more modern varieties. As it ripens Kidd's Orange Red sometimes has a distinctive pink blush, but by the time it is ready to pick this has usually disappeared. The shape is slightly flattened and can be somewhat lumpy.

The visual appeal is matched by the taste. The skin is thin and the flesh is a light yellow-cream colour, and quite dense. It bites cleanly, but is firm rather than crunchy. The flavour is sweet and honeyed, considerably sweeter than Cox's Orange Pippin. The aromatic complexity of its parent is still there, but rich sweetness is the predominant impression. Like many "English" style apples it is also pleasantly chewy, and each bite seems to release yet more juice and flavour. It's in some ways reminiscent of a good French dessert wine - sweet, but with a good kick to it.

Kidd's Orange Red's other parent is Delicious (see Red Delicious), a seedling variety found in the USA in the 1870s (not to be confused with Golden Delicious) and by Kidd's time already a major commercial apple variety, and therefore a natural choice for experimentation. This is where Kidd's Orange Red gets its sweetness from.

Kidd's Orange Red is a late season variety, available around mid-October in the northern hemisphere. It is best eaten before the New Year - not that we ever make them last that long!

Kidd's Orange Red is often available from farmers' markets but has never really achieved commercial success because it does not crop especially heavily.  However it is a good choice for the gardener because it is easier to grow than Cox's Orange Pippin, and unlike Delicious can also be grown in more temperate climates.  Once the tree comes into bearing it tends to be a fairly reliable if unspectacular cropper.

In short a superb apple in the classic English style.

Last updated 15 Aug 2010 by Orange Pippin.

Summary

  • Parentage: Cox x Delicious
  • Origin: New Zealand
  • Introduced: 1924
  • Orange Pippin Cultivar ID: 103800

Identification

  • Fruit colour: Orange
  • Flesh colour: White
  • Fruit size: Medium
  • Bultitude apple group: 7. Flushed / striped, some russeting, sweet

Using

  • Good for eating fresh
  • Good for juice
  • Flavour quality: Exceptional
  • Flavour style: Aromatic
  • Ripening period: Late season
  • Use / keeping: 1-2 months Will keep in a cold store until Christmas

Growing

  • Cropping: Light
  • Flowering group: 3
  • Fertility: Self-sterile
  • Vigour: Average growth
  • Gardening skill: Easy
  • Fruit bearing: Spur-bearer
  • Attractive blossom
  • General disease resistance: Average Not usually troubled by scab or mildew

Climate

  • Suitable for temperate climates
  • Tolerates cold winters
  • Suitable for N. England?: Yes

Other qualities

  • RHS Award of Garden Merit 1993

Mature tree heights for this variety (approximate)

Rootstock Soil quality
Poor Below average Average Above average Very good
P22 2.1 ft
0.6 m
2.6 ft
0.8 m
3.2 ft
1.0 m
3.7 ft
1.1 m
4.2 ft
1.3 m
M27 2.8 ft
0.9 m
3.5 ft
1.1 m
4.2 ft
1.3 m
4.9 ft
1.5 m
5.6 ft
1.7 m
M9 4.2 ft
1.3 m
5.3 ft
1.6 m
6.3 ft
1.9 m
7.4 ft
2.3 m
8.4 ft
2.6 m
Bud.9 4.2 ft
1.3 m
5.3 ft
1.6 m
6.3 ft
1.9 m
7.4 ft
2.3 m
8.4 ft
2.6 m
Geneva 16 4.2 ft
1.3 m
5.3 ft
1.6 m
6.3 ft
1.9 m
7.4 ft
2.3 m
8.4 ft
2.6 m
Geneva 11 4.9 ft
1.5 m
6.1 ft
1.9 m
7.4 ft
2.3 m
8.6 ft
2.6 m
9.8 ft
3.0 m
M26 5.6 ft
1.7 m
7.0 ft
2.1 m
8.4 ft
2.6 m
9.8 ft
3.0 m
11.2 ft
3.4 m
Geneva 30 5.6 ft
1.7 m
7.0 ft
2.1 m
8.4 ft
2.6 m
9.8 ft
3.0 m
11.2 ft
3.4 m
MM102 5.6 ft
1.7 m
7.0 ft
2.1 m
8.4 ft
2.6 m
9.8 ft
3.0 m
11.2 ft
3.4 m
M7 6.3 ft
1.9 m
7.9 ft
2.4 m
9.5 ft
2.9 m
11.0 ft
3.4 m
12.6 ft
3.9 m
M116 6.3 ft
1.9 m
7.9 ft
2.4 m
9.5 ft
2.9 m
11.0 ft
3.4 m
12.6 ft
3.9 m
MM106 7.0 ft
2.1 m
8.8 ft
2.7 m
10.5 ft
3.2 m
12.3 ft
3.8 m
14.0 ft
4.3 m
MM111 8.4 ft
2.6 m
10.5 ft
3.2 m
12.6 ft
3.9 m
14.7 ft
4.5 m
16.8 ft
5.2 m
Bud.118 9.8 ft
3.0 m
12.3 ft
3.8 m
14.7 ft
4.5 m
17.2 ft
5.3 m
19.6 ft
6.0 m
M25 11.2 ft
3.4 m
14.0 ft
4.3 m
16.8 ft
5.2 m
19.6 ft
6.0 m
22.4 ft
6.9 m
From an idea by N. Buck - more details.

Relationships to other varieties

Offspring of this variety:

Parents and other ancestors of this variety:

Siblings of this variety (same parentage):

  • Jupiter - Kidd's Orange Red and Jupiter are both offspring of Cox's Orange Pippin crossed with Delicious sports

See also:

  • Freyberg - Developed by same breeder - J.H. Kidd of New Zealand

Identification photos


Kidd's Orange Red - not quite ripe yet

Kidd's Orange Red - not quite ripe yet

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Visitor comments

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09 Apr 2010 CaseONTARIO, Canada
does anyone know where i can find these trees in canada?

01 Dec 2009 Mr Martin SkillingsNORFOLK, United Kingdom
We are planting a Heritage Orchard at the moment and would like to include 2 Kidds Orange Red Apple trees, after tasting these delicous apples at North creake apple fair, We are finding it difficult tracing these trees and would appreciate details of a supplier of these trees in the Norfolk area.

31 Aug 2009 MargaretNEWARK, CA, United States
I have Kidds grafted to a Cox Orange Pippin. Scion wood given by a friend years ago. The apple is fabulous. Great for eating or cooking. I make applesauce using no sugar or spices; just Kidds and a bit of apple juice. The flavor is outstanding.

12 Apr 2009 Peter CherchesBROOKLYN, NY, United States
I found your site when I was doing research on the Gala, a favorite of mine, and I just wanted to say I love your enthusiastic prose style, especially in this piece.

07 Apr 2009 PetethepermieVIC, Australia
Kidd's Orange Red has just one our 2009 apple of the year at the Petty's Heritage apple festival, this has been held by the Heritage Fruits Society Inc for 11years, which runs a tasting tent with about 100 variities for the public to taste and vote on. more info www.petethepermie.com

29 Oct 2008 RosalindKENT, United Kingdom
I was at Brogdale (National Apple Collection) today and bought a Kidd's Orange Red tree, having read these recommendations. They had some of the apples for sale and I have to say they really are wonderful. They reminded me more of pear drops than parma violets and have the most wonderful sweetness - this in a year with not a huge amount of sunshine. I have a small old orchard with a lot of cookers in (Bramley and Howgate) so I am looking forward to next year's crop immensely! Just have to weed out some self-sown sycamore to make room.

23 Oct 2008 JimjSAN FRANCISCO, United States
On the West Coast, at least, I've not found this not to resemble in any great way the wonderfullness of Cox Orange. For me it has some of the cloying qualities of Red Delicious. Now Belle de Boskoop, that's another story...

02 Sep 2008 Ken WSCOTLAND, United Kingdom
I used to get these every year from my local greengrocer who clearly knew what he was up to. The first time I ate one I had a 'Proustian' moment - you know: that sensation you get when you taste something you have not tasted for years and which transports you to some wonderful childhood memory! Kidds are like apples used to be: truly the best!

11 Oct 2007 Dan KissaneCO KERRY., Ireland
I agree. This apple is unbeatable. Aside from its superb eating qualities, I find it completely pest and disease resistant, no need to thin and keeps well till the new year. I always recommend this variety to people who want to plant an apple tree.

19 Sep 2007 Jean LippettSOMERSET, United Kingdom
This is probably my favourite of the 30 different varieties I've planted over the past 18 years. It's a beautifully shaped, healthy tree (standard), would be fine if it was never pruned, has had a good crop every year and the flavour is evolving but delicious over about twelve weeks. It's my favourite juicing apple and will happily wait till I get round to the task in November, unlike the earlier varieties in the orchard.

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