The comprehensive resource for apples and orchards

Karmijn de Sonnaville apple



Karmijn de Sonnaville was developed at the University of Wageningen in the Netherlands during the 1950s.  It is a Cox-style variety, but with a distinctly more pronounced aromatic flavor.

Somewhat surprisingly for a relatively modern apple variety, the exact parentage is not known.  Cox's Orange Pippin is the female parent but the pollen source is uncertain, either Belle de Boskoop or Jonathan.  Since Belle de Boskoop and Jonathan have a passing resemblance to each other, and both also have quite strong flavours, it is difficult to guess which is the other parent.  We think it is more likely to be Belle de Boskoop, from the tendency to russet and the triploid nature.

Despite the part-English ancestry, Karmijn de Sonnaville does not grow well in the UK and can be simply hard and unpleasant in a poor year.  It does very well in the northern and central states of the USA, and has the potential for very good flavor.

Last updated 22 Sep 2012.

Rate this variety for flavor

Current rating: 4.7 out of 5. Total votes cast: 14
 

Visitor comments

(Use the form at the bottom to add your own comments about this variety)

17 Feb 2013 
Ed, considering the climate in E. Wenatchee - desert as soon as you climb out of the Gorge - KdS might do pretty well in a city yard or large enough orchard to raise the humidity somewhat. I hope to add it onto one of the trees being created for my backyard orchard.


26 Jan 2013 
Referring to Dave Liezen's comments above, I did the same thing - went to Wenatchee and obtained several varieities for sampling. Karmijn was absolutely in a world by itself! I had one tree planted, and came back and ordered another! Might not grow well in eastern Washington's hot climate, but it is worth trying. Crisp, sweet-tart and almot undescribable!


23 Jan 2012 
Its not a apple from Wageningen bud from mister de Sonnaville he grows a lot of new varieties like Meiprinses and the newesr Lola


11 Oct 2010 
Drove halfway across the state to purchase heirloom apples; tasted KdJ for the first time. Wow! Got to work this into my back yard somehow.


23 Sep 2010 
I purchased this tree as a two-year old from Raintree Nursery based on their intriguing description. Within two years I was able to sample the fruit, and can honestly say it revolutionized my feelings about apples - it is a wonderful variety, with intense yet balanced flavors, and ample sweetness and acidity. One of the three fruits was left to 'age' about 1 month before trying it, and the flavors had harmonized wonderfully. I am hoping to be able to grow it in my new location in Bloomington, IN (hotter summers, so I am pleased to hear reports of it doing well in N California).


06 Sep 2010 
Dave: I am growing it in a hot, dry part of Northern California where summer temperatures regularly approach, and can even exceed 100 degrees Fahrenheit. It bears tasty fruit in my climate.


19 Jul 2010 
I saw a website that claimed this cultivar does best with cooler summers. Anyone in a drier and hotter locale that has done well with Karmijn de Sonnaville? I live in Spokane, high and dry on the eastern edge of Washington state. Thanks, Dave.


16 Dec 2008 
First of all I love this apple for it's taste. And then ,how to pronounce the name. (car-mine de sonna-vil ) now that is not too difficult is it?


07 Oct 2007 
How is this name pronounced?



Add your comments about this variety

Have you tasted this variety ? Do you agree or disagree with our tasting notes ? Enter your comments below. Please tell us your name (just first name if you wish) and email address, and if possible the nearest city. Your name and location, but not your email address, may be published on this website. All comments are reviewed before publishing.

Your email   required
Name   required
City   optional
State / County   optional
Country    required
Comments
Password   Create a password for your account
Organisation   optional
Security question: What is the 1st or 2nd word of the name of this website (in big letters in the banner of this page)?
Answer
We send 2-3 newsletters per year, please let us know if you would like to receive them. Rest assured that we do not buy or sell email addresses - for more details see our privacy policy.
Newsletters

A Cox-style apple from the Netherlands, very attractive autumnal colours, and the potential for very good flavor.

Karmijn de Sonnaville phototape

Origins

  • Species: Malus domestica
  • Parentage: Cox
  • Originates from: Netherlands
  • Introduced: 1949
  • Developed by: Piet de Sonnaville, Wageningen University
  • Orange Pippin Cultivar ID: 1035
  • UK National Fruit Collection accession number: 1971-060

Identification

  • Flesh colour: Yellow to Very Yellow
  • Fruit size: Medium
  • Fruit size: Large
  • Fruit size: Very large

Using

  • Harvest period: Late season

Growing

  • Flowering period: Mid-Late season
  • Flowering group: 4
  • Fertility: Self-sterile
  • Ploidy: Triploid
  • Pollinating others: Poor
  • Period of origin: 1900 - 1949

Disease resistance

  • Scab  - Very susceptible

Relationships to other varieties

Parents and other ancestors of this variety:

  • Cox's Orange Pippin (parent) - Cox Orange Pippin is the female parent of Karmijn de Sonnaville

See also:

  • Belle de Boskoop - Thought to be the male parent of Karmijn de Sonnaville (even though it is a Triploid)
  • Jonathan - Thought to be the male parent of Karmijn de Sonnaville

Karmijn de Sonnaville identification photos from official fruit collections

UK National Fruit Collection

©Crown Copyright more >
UK National Fruit Collection

Karmijn de Sonnaville identification photos from website visitors



Fruit tree register

Do you have a tree of this variety in your garden or orchard? If so please register the details here and contribute to our international register of fruit trees.

The following Karmijn de Sonnaville trees have been registered - click the name to view more details of each tree.

You can also view these trees on a map.

United States

United Kingdom

Netherlands

Canada



Latest Spring blossom records for this variety

2013 season

  • 12th May  2013  - tree owned by Jim in HALLSTEAD, United States
  • 27th April  2013  - tree owned by Florian in Brush Prairie, United States

2011 season

  • 27th April  2011  - tree owned by Cammy in SAN DIEGO, United States
  • 22nd April  2011  - tree owned by Cammy in SAN DIEGO, United States
  • 22nd April  2011  - tree owned by Cammy in SAN DIEGO, United States

Record your blossom dates in our Fruit Tree Register - more >>.

Latest harvest records for this variety

2013 season

  • 1st week October  2013  - tree owned by Jim in HALLSTEAD, United States

2011 season

    Where to buy apple trees

    The following fruit tree nurseries offer Karmijn de Sonnaville apple trees for sale:

    Where to buy apples

    United Statesmap >


    Canadamap >






    Sign in | Register

    Varieties you viewed


    Top 10 Varieties

    Top 10 highest ranked varieties

    Top 10 most voted on varieties


    Events


    ©2014 Orange Pippin Ltd. All rights reserved.
    Website by: Amarsys and Black Twig
    You may not reproduce any of the content of this website withour our express permission.
    We do not accept any liability for loss or damage incurred as a result of any errors in the content of this website.